"We see, in many a land, the proudest dynasties and tyrannies still crushing, with their mountain weight, every free motion of the Consciences and hearts of men. We see, on the other hand, the truest heroism for the right and the greatest devotion to the Truth in hearts that God has touched. We have a work to do, as great as our forefathers and, perhaps, far greater. The enemies of Truth are more numerous and subtle than ever and the needs of the Church are greater than at any preceding time. If we are not debtors to the present, then men were never debtors to their age and their time. Brethren, we are debtors to the hour in which we live. Oh, that we might stamp it with Truth and that God might help us to impress upon its wings some proof that it has not flown by neglected and unheeded." -- C.H. Spurgeon . . . "If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." John 8:31, 32 . . . . .


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Monday, May 24, 2010


By James Fire  

Having completed the 6 part series of The RAPTURE: The WHO and WHEN of it ALL, I decided that there were some loose ends to tie up, and points that could be honed to a finer point, and therefore prove useful for the reader.

This article will hopefully provide these.


In any view of eschatology, the two groups of people, namely Israel and the Church, will inevitably come up. From a dispensationalist (and this is a loaded term that can mean many things to different groups) view point there are many that make assertions as to the differences between these two that could be considered unwarranted, even extreme in light of the whole Word of God. Yet distinctions there are. These must be clearly understood, otherwise there will arise confusion regarding the applicability of scripture to the one group or the other.

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Thursday, May 20, 2010

Bloodmoney Trailer


This film will examine the history of abortion in America, from the inception of Planned Parenthood and the profitability of abortion clinics, to Roe v. Wade, to the denial of when life begins, to the fight to save the lives of innocent babies, and the devastating effects it has had on the women that have had them.

The film is a shocking documentary…it will shake you to the core….it is the INCONVENIENT TRUTH ABOUT ABORTION!

You will hear the detailed plans of PLANNED PARENTHOOD to sell abortions by a former abortion worker who admits to intentionally isolating teenagers from their parents and their values, and become the sex expert in their lives….. teens ages 13-18 were given low dose pills that they would get pregnant on, and defective condoms to meet their goal of 3 to 5 abortions from every girl who sought their guidance and help!

The numbers of aborted babies are staggering! Planned Parenthood is ever expanding and building GIGANTIC abortion clinics…………………

The Bible clearly states that we are made in the image of God………….that children are a blessing, not a curse………….and the Bible condemns the killing of the innocent!
Watch for the film…………view the trailer……………and tell everyone you know!



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Thursday, May 13, 2010

Evangelicals Sign A Letter Declaring That Allah Is God?

by Anne Kisly

When exposing false religion and false teachers, it is always appropriate to begin with scripture. Let's read:

“Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.”
(1 John 4:1-3).

A group of evangelical Christian leaders, which includes Rick Warren, Robert Schuller, Brian McLaren, Richard Cizik and Bill Hybels, have signed a letter to the Muslim community entitled "Loving God and Neighbor Together." This letter openly equates Islam's Allah with the Christian God of the Bible. 

The letter was in response to an open letter from 138 prominent Islamic leaders entitled "A Common Word between Us and You" which stresses stressing unity of the two religions and God.

Others who have signed the document claim that Christians and Muslims worship the "same" one true God which teaches us to love our neighbors as ourselves.  This is not true.
Before Islam, the dominant theology amongst Arabs was paganism. Of the 360 different pagan gods worshipped, one was named Allah, the moon god. The distinction needs to be made; Allah is not a name of God or even another name for God. It is the pagan-originated name of the false god of Islam.

To this day, the symbol of Islam is the crescent moon and a star. Not coincidentally and in point of fact very revealing, Satan is referred to in the Bible as son of the morning star. It makes perfect sense. The moon, Satan’s false god, and the star, Satan himself. This is Islam.
Allah and God the same? Even Muslims don’t believe this! The God of the Bible is a Triune God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit). Islam completely rejects the Deity of Jesus Christ.

Dave Hunt pointed out that the word "Allah" is not a generic term for "God" as some would like to suggest. It's a specific name for the god of Islam (formerly the moon-god of Arab nomads who were polytheistic). Look in any translation of the Quran, in any language, French, Spanish, Italian, etc, and the word for Allah used there is "Allah" (not 'God' in their native tongues). 

On his radio program, Search the Scriptures, Dave Hunt answers a question from one of his listeners - "Is Allah the Same as Yahweh?"
“Allah” is the name of a definite god. It was the god of the Quraish tribe. The Quraish tribe—that would be Muhammad’s tribe. The Kaaba is that cubicle place of worship in Mecca that still exists today where Muslims go once in their life time to make the hajj (pilgrimage). It had about 300-and-some idols in it. Mecca was where all the caravan trails crossed. They had an idol there for everybody.
This was prior to Muhammad...In fact, his tribe made a lot of money out of this—the fees that they got for the temple and so forth—people were able to worship whatever god they believed in. The chief god, of course, was the god of the Quraish tribe there in Mecca. His name was Allah. He has no son, but he has three daughters. He was the moon god, worshiped with the moon, and that’s why you still see the crescent moon on minarets and on flags of Muslim countries to this day. 
The Qur’an, for example, says of Allah, “He is not a father, and he has no son.” Now there is no way that you could possibly equate Allah, this pagan idol, with the God of the Bible who absolutely forbids idolatry. "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me" Exodus 20:2.

You’re not to make an image of the God of the Bible. And that it would be in a pagan temple with other images, with other idols, is just absolutely contrary to the Scripture.
"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth: 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me; 6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments."
— Exodus 20:4-6
But they say this is their name for God, the Arabic name for God, but wait a minute! That this is not a generic term for God is easily proved. In Spanish, the generic term for God is Dios. Oh, but they insist the Spanish translation must have Allah. In Russian, the generic term for God is bog. But they insist they have Allah, even in a Russian translation. In French it would be Dieu, but they insist, “No, no, it must be Allah even in French, Allah in English.” Well obviously, then, this is not a generic term for God. This is the name of a particular god—the moon god, the god of the Quraish tribe. By the way, they offered human sacrifices to him.  Full program: Is Allah the Same as Yahweh?
Christians believe in a Triune God (the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit), while Islam vehemently rejects the deity of Jesus Christ. Instead they worship "Allah" which again was an ancient tribal moon god.

Excerpt taken from, "A Common Word Between Us" -

The Muslim letter, "A Common Word Between Us and You", comes from a passage in the Quran that calls for Christians ("people of the book") to deny the Trinity and to submit to Allah as "the one true God."
O People of the Book! Come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah. (Quran, Sura 3:64)
It is astonishing that over 300 so-called prominent CHRISTian leaders embrace this idea. It is the acknowledgment and worship of a foreign god, that scripture clearly forbids!  

Excerpt taken from, "Loving God and Neighbor Together" -

In fact, in response, their letter refers to "god" using terms that Muslims commonly ascribe to Allah. For example, consider this line from "Loving God and Neighbor Together."
Before we “shake your hand” in responding to your letter, we ask forgiveness of the All-Merciful One.
The "All-Merciful One" is purposely and shamelessly used here to falsely suggest that Allah and the God of the Bible are the same...they're not!  What do Muslims mean by "All Merciful One?" The "All-Merciful One" is one of the key names for Allah in Islam.  Just type "all merciful one" in your search engine, I guarantee that all of the results reveal the god of Islam. 
According to the Quran, Allah is described many ways. Amongst the “99 beautiful names of Allah” are “the best schemer,” “the greatest of all deceivers,” “the destroyer,” “the most proud,” “the bringer of death,” and “the creator of evil.” In the Bible, such titles are descriptions of Satan. Again, Islam reveals itself for what it is. - Patrick Wyett
Essentially these "leaders" are openly praying to "Allah" the moon god and asking for "his" forgiveness in this letter.  Not only are they praying to a false god, they applaud Islamic devotion to Allah. 
We applaud that A Common Word Between Us and You stresses so insistently the unique devotion to one God.
What is missing from "A Common Word between Us and You" is the gospel of Jesus Christ. Do they care nothing about these lost souls?  Do they understand that making this agreement solidifies faith in a false god, that it deafens ears from hearing the Word of God,  and hearts from receiving the truth of Jesus Christ?

Nothing at all about the love of God, the Son who became flesh and dwelt among us.  Nothing about life and ministry of Jesus.  Nothing about sin, redemption, and salvation. What good is "A Common Word between Us and You" when they are denying the only way of salvation?  Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life, and no one, NO ONE, comes to the Father except by Him!  John 14:6.

Instead, the letter describes "god" in the Islamic letter (Allah) as "the God whom we should love above all things."  
We find it equally heartening that the God whom we should love above all things is described as being Love. In the Muslim tradition, God, “the Lord of the worlds,” is “The Infinitely Good and All-Merciful.”
In the letter, these Christian leaders call Muhammed a Prophet,  capital "P" a number of times. Going through the scriptures, there is no prophet called Muhammed, he is a false prophet.   
Excerpt from gotquestions.org -
In the Bible, prophets often had both a teaching and revelatory role, declaring God’s truth on contemporary issues while also revealing details about the future. Isaiah’s ministry, for example, touched on both the present and the future. He preached boldly against the corruption of his day (Isaiah 1:4) and delivered grand visions of the future of Israel (Isaiah 25:8).
Prophets had the task of faithfully speaking God’s Word to the people. They were instrumental in guiding the nation of Israel and establishing the church. God’s household is “built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone” (Ephesians 2:20). 
A true prophet of God will be committed to speaking God’s truth. He or she will never contradict God’s revealed Word. A true prophet will say, with the prophet Micaiah just before his fateful confrontation with Ahab, “As surely as the Lord lives, I can tell him only what my God says” (2 Chronicles 18:13).
A question for these so-called Christian leaders, how in the world could Muhammed be a Prophet if he constantly denied the divinity of Jesus Christ?

The Christian leaders continue their letter making the false claim that if Christians and Muslims fail to make peace, "our eternal souls" may be in jeopardy. 
If we fail to make every effort to make peace and come together in harmony you correctly remind us that “our eternal souls” are at stake as well.
Seriously?  Shame on them!

The final, eternal destination of all people is based entirely on whether or not they had trusted Jesus Christ alone for salvation (Matthew 25:46; John 3:36).  In denying Christ, partaking in idolatry, and believing false prophets, and a false religion will in fact place your eternal soul at great risk of eternal damnation.

In the final paragraph this abominable letter we again see the misrepresentation of the true God of Christianity as they attempt to equate Him with the false deity of the Islamic faith.  Further, both Christians and Muslims are urged to meet together to determine "how God would have us fulfill the requirement that we love God."
We are persuaded that our next step should be for our leaders at every level to meet together and begin the earnest work of determining how God would have us fulfill the requirement that we love God and one another.
Love is an attribute of God. Love is a core aspect of God’s character, His Person. God’s love is in no sense in conflict with His holiness, righteousness, justice, or even His wrath. All of God’s attributes are in perfect harmony. Everything God does is loving, just as everything He does is just and right.

The greatest expression of God's love is communicated to us in John 3:16: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” Romans 5:8 proclaims the same message: But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Since the Quran denies that Jesus Christ is the Son of God no less than nine times, this is all the proof anyone needs that Allah is not the Lord God of the Bible!

We can only conclude that by affirming that Allah is God, these 300+ signers of "Loving God And Neighbor Together" have denied the Triune God of the Bible! This act puts them in the category of apostate false teachers, and should be rejected by all true Bible believers. 

One writer stated that this letter represents apostasy of the highest order, I agree! These leaders who would dare to defame and diminish the One true God, the Lord Jesus Christ, and the authority of God's Word have put their own souls in grave danger, as well as the souls they lead astray. This is another step towards a one world false religious system that will usher in the antichrist in the last days. Every single leader who signed this letter has publicly denied their faith, brought shame to their ministries and congregations.

We can only pray that these leaders repent or resign. Unfortunately there  are far too many in their congregations who love the man behind the pulpit more than God.  Many will follow them blindly because they refuse God and His word, putting their own ideas above His.

Salvation through Jesus Christ is the only hope for mankind.

What a sad state the Church is in.

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by A.M. Kisly

Many questions are beginning to surface as to whether or not leaders of Evangelical Churches including Calvary Chapel are going the way of the Emergent philosophy. For this reason I would like to present a reasonable word of caution, as well as important facts regarding some upcoming events, and the strange new ties between Evangelical leaders and those of the Emergent and New Age philosophies.

First let me state that the Emergent/New Age/Positive Thinking/Universalist and Global philosophies that are sweeping the Church are not the Gospel of truth, nor the Gospel message of the Bible! It is deception, it is apostasy and it is a rejection of the God of the Bible and his plan of redemption for mankind! It is a complete mockery of the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross and his resurrection power that has brought the sinner to salvation.

As the organized Christian church and church leaders continue in their plunge toward apostasy, turning their heads and ignoring the truth, it is imperative for individual believers to find out the facts and discern what is of God and what is not. We can no more rely solely upon the leadership to show us what is right…because it is the individual believer’s responsibility to know God’s voice, to be students of the Word, and to know the difference between the biblical truth and false doctrine. If not, rest assured, more and more people will be pulled into the tumultuous winds of deception.

As Evangelical leaders continue to compromise, continue to yoke themselves up with those who are preaching a false Christ, a false Gospel message…the Church is becoming confused, splintered and led astray.

While the attack on Christianity increases, our biblical values and freedoms continue to diminish and the apostate church and the world’s global religion is ever growing.

I feel like a broken record, yet I see friends and family and the Church of God playing Russian roulette with their spiritual lives because they don’t know the scriptures, they have no discernment and they believe the word of man over the word of God. The idolatry in this country has infected even the body of Christ. The Church, those who are in the pews blindly follow men because they have not bothered to develop a living relationship with their Creator and have revered the church leader and not the Lord God of heaven and earth.

Take heed Christian friend, take heed!

Consider the words of our Lord and Savior, Jesus. I didn’t say it, he did.

Matthew 7:13-15 (King James Version)

“Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.”

Recently the very popular Evangelical preacher, John Piper, invited Emergent Church leader Rick Warren to speak at his upcoming Desiring God conference.

2010 Desiring God Conference Speakers

John Piper - Rick Warren

The idea that Rick Warren is “more doctrinal” than he appears is absurd. Warren’s involvement with Tony Blair’s Faith Foundation and its “North American offensive”, as Blair put it, with a purpose of “uniting all faiths,” should be considered to be the doctrine of anti-Christ, shouldn’t it? We will get into some more of Rick Warren’s teachings a bit later.

Read Article: Tony Blair's Faith Foundation - North American Offensive

II Corinthians 6:14-18

“Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.”

Jesus himself claimed to be the way the truth and the life….no man cometh unto the Father but by me…John 14:6

Ingrid Schlueter (Crosstalk) stated “I don’t know what John Piper is thinking, but giving Warren prime time to manipulate hearers and present himself as just another misunderstood leader, is a serious mistake. Piper’s years of credibility as a trustworthy minister of Gospel truth are being undermined by this decision.”

For me personally, I don’t believe this to be the correct forum in which to find out what makes Rick Warren tick….If John piper has taken a personal interest in Rick outside the scope of prayer, let him do so on his own without exposing the body of Christ to be swayed or deceived by their emotions and false doctrines.

John Piper is not the only one making questionable decisions, Rick Warren and co-worker Leonard Sweet are sharing platforms lately with many popular evangelical leaders (e.g., Joel Rosenberg with Sweet at Breakforth, Rick Warren with Greg Laurie and Chuck Smith at Harvest Crusade, Calvary Chapel pastor Skip Heitzig with Leonard Sweet at Heitzig’s church (later this summer). For those who don’t understand the “new” spirituality and the hoped-for “new reformation” of Rick Warren and Leonard Sweet, maybe it is a good time to research this out.

In March, Lighthouse Trails reported that this coming June, Calvary Chapel Albuquerque (a veteran Calvary Chapel church pastored by Skip Heitzig) will host the National Worship Leader Conference in Albuquerque, New Mexico and will feature New Age sympathizer and emerging church leader, Leonard Sweet. The NWLC event will take place in three different U.S. locations with Sweet participating in two of them.

National Worship Leaders Conference

The worship conference is presented by Worship Leader magazine, whose chief editor is Chuck Fromm (Chuck Smith, Sr.’s nephew). On the conference website, a banner promotion by Greg Laurie, (another veteran Calvary Chapel pastor) sits in a prominent spot. Laurie states: “In Worship Leader magazine, you hear from the leading thinkers, artists, and pastors on how we can more effectively worship God.”

Though there have been many conflicting stories regarding this….including the story that Dr. Sweet will not be speaking, that the leadership of CC Albuquerque had no idea that he would be speaking, and that perhaps the whole conference would be scrubbed, I can tell you that as of today and according to Calvary Chapel Albuquerque’s website on their upcoming events page, Dr. Leonard Sweet will be speaking at their upcoming church sponsored National Worship Leaders Conference. If you scroll down to about the 17th event…National Worship Conference…there is an audio promo posted which states that Mr. Sweet will in fact be speaking.

Though Calvary Chapel has denounced the teachings of the Emergent Church and Contemplative Prayer, one has to ask the very obvious question of why they are teaching along side some of the leading pastors of such New Age and apostate doctrines at scheduled events.

It has been reported that after discussions with other Calvary Chapels pastors, Skip Heitzig had denied knowing about Dr. Leonard Sweet being a guest speaker at this event. He also claimed that he had not been informed of those who would be speaking at his church, and that he would cancel Leonard Sweet as a guest speaker; in fact, he said that he was thinking of “pulling the plug” on the event.

Well, according to their church website, the event is still on (as of this date anyway) and the audio promo clearly states that Dr. Leonard Sweet is a guest speaker.

[Update: Since the posting of this article, C.C. Albuquerque has changed their audio promo, deleting Dr. Leonard Sweet as a guest speaker. According to sources, he was asked not to speak because of the controversy of his Emergent position and New Age philosophy. Though I am very happy about this decision, I think it would be wise to keep a mindful eye on future events. Also, Dr. Sweet is not the only person of question at this event, as you will see further down.]

Calvary Chapel Albuquerque

Also, after some research through the many archives on the internet…there doesn’t seem to be any confusion to me as to whether or not Calvary Chapel’s plea of ignorance is true or not.

As far as I can tell, though NWLC is not an exclusive CC event; both Calvary Chapel pastors and Leonard Sweet have all spoken at this annual event for the past 3 years. So it is not a stretch of the imagination to conclude that Skip Heitzig and staff have full knowledge of who the invited speakers will be, including Dr. Leonard Sweet.

At the 2009 National Worship Leader’s Conference held in Kansas City, Greg Laurie and Leonard Sweet both spoke at the event.

See Greg Laurie’s promotional video:

Greg Laurie at the National Worship Leader Conference 2009

See also the following article from 2009 which states that, “This year’s featured speakers and worship leaders include Michael W. Smith, Greg Laurie, Leonard Sweet, Mac Powell, David Crowder Band, Paul Boloche, Donnie McClurkin, Tommy Walker, Leeland and Lenny LeBlanc.”

See Streaming Faith’s post:

Kansas City to Host 3rd Nat’l Worship Leader Conference

After finding this information, I searched a bit further to see just how many years Calvary Chapel had been attending and speaking alongside Emergent Church leaders at this event.

I won’t post all of the research, but it was very curious to find that at the 2008 NWLC, which was held in Austin, Texas, it was Skip Heitzig and Leonard Sweet speaking at the same event.

In the following link, the blogger writes: “Yesterday we had more incredible sessions, other classes by Paul Baloche and Ross Parsley, and dynamic teaching by Dr. Leonard Sweet.”

National Worship Leaders Conference, Austin Update

Skip Heitzig also wrote about the 2008 event on his own blog.

He writes, “The conference hosted speakers, musicians and loads of workshops for the musically and ministry inclined. This worship conference from the first night had a wonderful air of simplicity and reverence. Rather than introducing the "big name bands" or high profile speakers, one after another came to the platform to share their gift but mostly to shine the stage light of attention onto Jesus. It was an exceptionally receptive group and it was wonderful to see old friends and make new ones. Before I spoke Monday night on, "Casting the Worship Vision--Past, Present and Future" Sarah Kelly and Matt Redman fill the sanctuary with a "joyful noise." These folks were up for a good dose of Bible truth and resonated with the message I brought. I thoroughly enjoyed the staff of Riverbend Church and watched firsthand a great teamwork by many faithful servants in that church community.”

Skip Heitzig - Austin City Limits

Clearly, Calvary Chapel has full knowledge of the type of event, the speakers of the event and have been apart of the event for years.

My question is, why? Why the compromise?

Listen, we are not trying to vilify Calvary Chapel, but we do want to know what the truth of this matter is. Are they going the way of the Emergent Church, or are they compromising because of ignorance? Perhaps it is this New Age quest and obsession of replacing the “old ways” for the new “relevant ways”… in my opinion this third is a very slippery slope indeed….the Church has compromised and compromised. The word has been watered down, changed and now is unrecognizable…all for the sake of the worldly philosophy of being relevant and MEGA popular.

Whatever the reason, it is clearly wrong to compromise, and it is leaving the impression that there is nothing wrong the the teachings and philosophies of the New Age Movement and the Emergent Church.

Who is Dr. Leonard Sweet?

He is a futurist, Emergent Church Leader and New Age Sympathizer

"A sea change of transitions and transformations is birthing a whole new world," wrote Dr. Leonard Sweet, whose books are often quoted in Rick Warren's Ministry Toolbox. "God is birthing the greatest spiritual awakening in the history of the church.... Are you going to show up." (Soul Tsunami: Sink or Swim in the New Millennium Culture - Zondervan, 1999).

If you love truth, you may want to say no! For in his book Soul Tsunami, Dr. Sweet, a popular leader of the Emerging Church, tells us to flow with the currents of change and leave God's unchanging gospel behind. "Postmodern culture is a change-or-be changed world," he continues. "Reinvent yourself for the 21st century or die. Some would rather die than change." (Soul Tsunami: Sink or Swim in the New Millennium Culture - Zondervan, 1999).

The new focus is on unity -- a world-wide oneness reflected in the growing union between the East and West. Leonard Sweet's online book, Quantum Spirituality, sheds some revealing light of the envisioned global "church" for the 21st century. In his view, the offense of the cross has been replaced with a passion for interfaith peace and possibility-thinking. To illustrate this point, Dr. Sweet points to Thomas Merton, the popular Catholic author who popularized mysticism and died in Asia searching the depths of Tibetan Buddhism.

Read Jim's Article: Beware of Prayer - of the Contemplative Kind

Seeking that illusive solidarity, today's success-driven church leaders are rushing into the postmodern age of flexible "truth" and relational pleasures. Unbounded by any solid anchor in God's unchanging Word, they dash forward -- hand in hand with the world -- toward an imagined future attainable through practices long hidden in secret societies and Eastern religions. These include meditative rituals, dialectical synthesis and systems thinking. Add service learning to the last two and you have the transformational strategies first tested by Communist tyrants, then incorporated into the UN - U.S. education system, which intentionally undermined factual, rational learning and established the postmodern ways of thinking. (See The International Agenda and Small Groups and the Dialectic Process)

I would also like to point out that Leonard Sweet while blatantly New Age, he is not the only speaker in question. There are many guest speakers in this upcoming conference who are a part of Saddleback and Willow Creek. Both pastors of both churches, Rick Warren* and Bill Hybels respectively, are graduates of the Robert Schuller School of Church Leadership, and both pastors also endorse contemplative prayer, a 'Christianized' brand of Hindu meditation practices.

Read More:Sweets "New Light" Heroes - Online pdf

Let’s take a look at the Gospel ACCORDING TO ROBERT SCHULLER (Some of the following excerpts are taken from Let Us Reason Ministries)

His new reformation is not repentance or a renewed sense of dependence on God and his word. No humbling our self before Almighty God. In fact it is the very opposite a boosting of ourselves to a "divine self-esteem." The Bible tells us that our righteousness is like filthy tags before God (Isaiah 64:6), that we've all sinned and fall short of His glory (Romans 3:23), and that there are none who are righteous (Romans 3:10). All this and more is denied by the philosophical musing of a man who claims to represent Christ, His gospel, and the church.

In fact he states "I don't think anything has been done in the name of Christ that and under the banner of Christianity that has proven more destructive to human personality and, hence, counterproductive to the evangelism enterprise than the often crude, uncouth, and unchristian strategy of attempting to make people aware of their lost and sinful condition." (Time, March 18, 1985)

Yet Paul wrote that, "Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners" (I Timothy 1: 15), and Christ Himself said that He came to call "sinners to repentance" (Luke 5:32). Yet Schuller rejects the depravity of man which he calls "error" (Self- Esteem the New Reformation,p.162) Romans 3:23 all have sinned. Who is in question here the Bible or Schuller?

What made Schuller successful in his ministry? He had found something wrong with the ancient gospel? He now has the new improved modern version. Schuller message can be attributed to how wonderful life can be if we all come together as one and be positive. His preaching is "Gospel of Positiveness and Success". It has been embraced by numerous unbelievers and quite a numbers of Christian leaders as well. Schuller has stated thousands of pastors and hundreds of rabbis and over a million Muslims a week watch his Hour of Power. The only way to please this wide of an audience is to have only positive things to say lest some feet get stepped on. He believes, "God is trying … to build a society of human beings who live out the golden rule" (Self-Esteem p. 135).

Schuller believes he has found a basic defect in modern Christianity and identifies the problem "What is that basic flaw? I believe is it the failure to proclaim the gospel in a way that can satisfy every person's deepest need - one's spiritual hunger for glory. Rather than glorify God's highest creation - the human being - Christian liturgies, hymns, prayers, and scriptural interpretations have often insensitively and destructively offended the dignity of the person..." (Self-Esteem, p. 31)

Bella Stumbo staff writer for the Los Angeles Times, after an extensive interview with Schuller, wrote: "In short, Robert Schuller believes that God placed him on this Earth to preach possibility thinking" ("The Gospel of Success," 5/29/83, Los Angeles Times, p. 24). To Schuller “this message is, vitally important" he at one time wrote: "I believe in positive thinking. It is almost as important as the resurrection of Jesus Christ." (Michael Nason and Donna Nason, Robert Schuller: The Inside Story, 1983, p. 152). Interesting statement considering the fact that positive, or possibility thinking was not mentioned at all by Christ or taught by his apostles.

Befriending The New Age

Sir John Marks Templeton, founder of The Templeton Prize for Progress in Religion (New Age Beliefs) were first introduced to the church by none other than Robert Schuller in 1986. Templeton's beliefs are clearly expressed in his writings. He is an evolutionist, pantheist, Universalist, and occultist and in no unequivocal terms rejects the God of the Bible, Christ as the only Savior and only way to God. He claims that heaven and hell are states of mind we create here on earth, that truth is relative, and that Christianity is no longer relevant. He states Behind this book is my belief that the basic principles for leading a "sublime life"... may be derived from any religious tradition Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist and others as well as Christian.... (John Marks Templeton, Discovering the Laws of Life, 1994 inside front of jacket.)

Schuller continues to endorse him by putting Templeton's picture on his Possibilities magazine front cover, and running a major interview with Templeton. In it Templeton articulated his Unity of all Religions beliefs, 'Your spiritual principles attract prosperity to you material success comes ... from being in tune with the infinite.... The Christ spirit dwells in every human being whether the person knows it or not; nothing exists except God." (Possibilities, p. 12 Summer 1986, pp. 8-12.) Templeton has become famous for offering a million dollars from his religious research center that is developing progress in religion. Maybe Schuller would like to be the next recipient.

" On an Amway motivational tape, Robert Schuller sums it up: You don't know what power you have within you! ... You make the world into anything you choose. Yes, you can make your world into whatever you want it to be. ( R. Schuller Possibility Thinking: goals Amway corp. tape)

What is this power within? Schuller's article in the Summer 1986 issue of Possibilities magazine explains the central message being that 'all is God and God is all,' the article also declared that, "The Christ Spirit dwells in every human being, whether the person knows it or not" (p. 12). So now we are born with Christ instead of with sin. The bible says the very opposite, Galatians 3:26-28 "For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus." These heresies are upheld by Schuller to his readers and those who watch his TV program.

These are the same teachings that Rick Warren and Bill Hybels have submitted to, studied under, and continue to preach in their own churches today!

Schuller has addressed Unity ministers in training, at the Unity School of Christianity in Kansas City, not only stating that he agreed with their teachings (which, among other things, reject the gospel of Christ, and teach Yoga, reincarnation, and other New Age philosophies), but he also commended Unity and offered his success techniques to help Unity grow larger . In an address to a Unity congregation in Warren, Michigan, Schuller's motivational talk presented Jesus as "the greatest Possibility Thinker of all time!" (Reported in the 1/88 issue of the CIB Bulletin.)

Unity is a Mind-science cult, with occultic beliefs incorporated as well. Actually they accept just about anything except the biblical record.

"The classical interpretation of this teaching of Christ on 'bearing our cross' desperately needs reformation...."

"The cross Christ calls us to bear will be offered as a dream... an inspiring idea that would incarnate itself in a form of ministry that helps the self-esteem-impoverished persons to discover their self-worth through salvation and subsequent social service in our Savior's name..." "So the proclamation of possibility thinking is the positive proclamation of the cross!..."

He was asked, 'Dr. Schuller, we hear a lot of talk these days about the New Age, the Age of Aquarius, the type of New Age thinking that we are involved in with Holistic healing and various other things that are part of what is called the New Age. Will you describe the role of what you might consider the New Age minister in the '80s and beyond?'"

"Schuller replied, 'Well, I think it depends upon where you're working. I believe that the responsibility in this Age is to 'positivize' religion. Now this probably doesn't have much bearing to you people, being Unity people, you're positive. But I talk a great deal to groups that are not positive... even to what we would call Fundamentalists who deal constantly with words like sin, salvation, repentance, guilt, that sort of thing.'" "So when I'm dealing with these people... what we have to do is positivize the words that have classically only had a negative interpretation." (Address at Unity Village, Unity tape)

Schuller states, "It is important to remember that meditation in any form is the harnessing, by human means, of God's divine laws.... We are endowed with a great many powers and forces that we do not yet fully understand.( He believes these are valid methods for "the harnessing, by human means, of God's divine laws. ..."

“A variety of approaches to meditation . . . is employed by many different religions as well as by various nonreligious mind-control systems. In all forms . . . TM, Zen Buddhism, or Yoga . . . the meditator endeavors to overcome the conscious mind ...”

The most effective mantras employ the "M" sound. You can get the feel of it by repeating the words, "I am, I am," many times over.... Transcendental Meditation or TM... is not a religion nor is it necessarily anti-Christian.” (Peace of Mind Through Possibility Thinking, 1977 pp. 131-32)

This is what people in the occult do (such as I AM groups like the Ballard's or Elizabeth Claire Prophet)

TM is religious and is Hinduism, its promoted by the Maharishi who is Hindi, and leads to union with the Hindu God Brahma and to eternal separation from Christ. A variety of meditation is employed by many different religions TM, Zen Buddhism, or Yoga.

Robert Schuller can say “It is important to remember that meditation in any form is the harnessing, by human means, of God's divine laws he is essentially promoting another religions practices within the church.

It is easy to see how these eastern religious and occult practices came into the Church…..Robert Schuller has been endorsed as a “Christian” pastor by many respected Church leaders (Billy Graham) however, Robert Schuller is anything but a Christian, he is a humanist, a psychologist, a New Age thinker who denies the authority of Jesus Christ and the Word of God….Mr. Schuller is a Wolf in Sheep’s clothing who has led millions away from the Biblical TRUTH of God’s Word!

From Robert Schuller's book, My Journey

"I met once more with the Grand Mufti (a Muslim), truly one of the great Christ-honoring leaders of faith. ... I'm dreaming a bold impossible dream: that positive-thinking believers in God will rise above the illusions that our sectarian religions have imposed on the world, and that leaders of the major faiths will rise above doctrinal idiosyncrasies, choosing not to focus on disagreements, but rather to transcend divisive dogmas to work together to bring peace and prosperity and hope to the world...." p. 502

"Standing before a crowd of devout Muslims with the Grand Mufti, I know that we're all doing God's work together. Standing on the edge of a new millennium, we're laboring hand in hand to repair the breach." p. 501

Who else is speaking at the National Worship Leaders Conference hosted by Calvary Chapel of Albuquerque?

Others, such as Mr. Maher routinely minister in Roman Catholic fellowships (is he a Roman Catholic, or an ex-Roman Catholic and a Christian simply reaching out to these souls?):

Matt Maher - is still involved in local church ministry at St. Timothy Catholic Community, as well as helping out with the young adult ministry at All Saints Newman Center on the campus of Arizona State University.

Buddy Owens - is Pastor of Spiritual Growth at Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, California.

Scott Dyer - is the Pastor of Worship and Arts at Bent Tree Bible Fellowship, in the northern suburbs of Dallas, TX, where he has served since February of 2004. Prior to coming to Bent Tree, Scott spent 14 years on the staff of Willow Creek Community Church and the Willow Creek Association.

Stan Endicott - is Executive Worship Pastor at Mariners Church in Irvine, Calif., a large church known for progressive and culturally compelling approaches to worship, communications and ministry. He also consults with churches around the country and continues to work with established and up-and-coming recording artists in music production. Stan is a mainstay at Arts and Worship conferences at Willow Creek Community Church in Barrington, Ill., and at Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, Calif., where he also directs the worship choir.

Curt Coffield - Curt is committed to helping others worship. He is the Pastor at Sewickley Valley North Way Christian Community in Pennsylvania. Formerly, Curt served as Worship and Teaching Pastor at Resurrection Life Church in Grandville, Michigan; as Worship Pastor at Shoreline Community Church in Monterey, California; and as Worship Director at Willow Creek Community Church in South Barrington, Illinois. As a member of Integrity Music's band PK7, Curt led worship for Promise Keeper events in arenas around the country for several years.

Tony Guerrero - is currently serving as the Director of Creative Arts at Saddleback Church, where he leads a mostly volunteer group of hundreds of musicians, singers, and performers in a variety of arenas.

Randy Swanson - has been involved in Creative Arts ministry for over 30 years. He has a degree in music from UCLA and a JD from Western States University. He was admitted to practice law in California in 1983. As an accomplished trumpet artist he performs in churches and orchestras on a regular basis. He served as the Executive Director for the Robert Schuller Performing Arts Center.

So why are doctrinally sound pastors yoking themselves up with those who teach a false gospel? Are they themselves being deceived? Are they truly God’s under shepherds? Are they themselves wolves? Are they compromising in order to be apart of the “mainstream” mega churches? I don’t know the answer, but I know that there are many warnings in the Bible about the apostasy of the last day’s church. Jesus himself warned us not too be deceived. We must take heed lest we too are caught up in the deception sweeping the church!

I would also point out the tie between the Hybels and President Obama’s new “Green Shepherd” and far leftist liberal pastor, Jim Wallis.

I listened to a program on Christian Worldview yesterday discussing the Social Justice Movement and how it is infiltrating the Church. Those who are at the top of this big radical environmental and social justice movement include Rev. Jim Wallis…as well as the Hybels of Willow Creek.

Background….Mr. Wallis who was head of the Students for a Democratic Society at Michigan State University up until the present time, has been moving in the left wing, collectivistic, communistic crowd for all of these years…and now he is the new spiritual advisor to the President of the United States. The President of the U.S. has given Jim Wallis his marching orders…telling him that now he is going to be the “Green Shepherd” to lead the Evangelical Church into the Whitehouse’s program of Climate Change under the guise of justice and injustice.

The question conservative Christians should ask is why is a pastor so popular among secularist liberals who routinely vilify Christians for their involvement in political issues? The answer is to be found in Jim Wallis’ consistently radical—and even Marxist—worldview. FrontPageMagazine.org has published a lengthy expose on Jim Wallis’ far-left background, including his anti-capitalist views and his support of Communist or terrorist regimes throughout the history of Sojourners. While Wallis was in seminary, he founded an anti-capitalist magazine called Post-American. In it, Wallis called for the redistribution of wealth and government managed economies. This anti-capitalist worldview is expressed in religious terms as a quest for “social justice.”

In January 2005, Democrat Senators met in a closed session with Wallis to figure out how they could use religious language to pull evangelical voters away from the Republican Party to vote Democratic. In addition, 15 Democrat House members made Wallis their guest of honor at a breakfast. His topic was how to turn religious voters in to Democrats. Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-NM) admitted that Wallis was working closely with the leadership to lure religious voters to the Democrat Party.

In 2005, Wallis was appearing on TV and radio talk shows all over the U.S. and was being interviewed by the mainstream print media as well. The New York Times reported that Democrats in the House has picked Rep. James Clyburn (D-SC) to establish a “faith working group” that would “encourage lawmakers to sprinkle references to God and religion into their speeches.” Jim Wallis was their pick to help them devise clever ways to fool Americans into believing secular liberals had found “religion.”

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Case in point, Lynn Hybels, the wife of Rev. Bill Hybels of Willow Creek is now writing for the website (Sojourner) of Rev. Jim Wallis, a pro-Marxist.

Listen to: Worldview Radio: Worldview Matters with Brannon Howse - May 7th, 2010

I believe that the apostate church will play a leading role in destroying America and introducing the new-age system of the globalists…world government and religious system.

If you want to know where Bill Hybel stands on these issues, you don’t have to look much further than the Magazine the put out, called Willow. Article titles in this Willow issue certainly make a statement Seismic Shifts," "Rediscovering Spiritual Formation," "Stemming the Tide," "The Changing Face of Worship," "Shifts in Missional Mindset," and "The Next Great Debate." With such commitment to change, it's no wonder Willow Creek supports Brian McLaren, who is currently on his "Everything Must Change" tour. You can flip through the magazine yourself online:

Willow Magazine



A little know fact about shepherds………they NEVER, EVER, EVER expose their sheep to wolves or any other danger……they feed the sheep, and carefully watch over and protect the sheep……to not do so goes against all that is biblically sound!

John 10:11 (King James Version)

“I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.”

More on Rick Warren…..

The following is a list of concerns regarding the teachings of Rick Warren. These examples were taken from the book by Warren B. Smith “Deceived on Purpose” (from chapter 1 of A “Wonderful” Deception)

Ten Basic Concerns

1) Rick Warren Cites New Age Leader

In The Purpose Driven Life, Rick Warren introduces his main themes of “hope” and “purpose.” Inexplicably, Warren chooses to introduce “hope” and “purpose” in his book by citing Dr. Bernie Siegel—a veteran New Age leader who claims to have a spirit-guide named George.(1) Somehow, readers of The Purpose Driven Life are expected to believe that God inspired Warren to introduce the themes of hope and purpose by referencing the “wisdom” of Bernie Siegel, an author and leader in the New Age movement. But the Bible warns that this kind of worldly wisdom is not from God and can confuse and stumble believers, and completely mislead unbelievers:

This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. (James 3:15)

Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumbling block or an occasion to fall in his brother’s way. (Romans 14:13)

2) Rick Warren Sends Confusing New Age Message: “God is in everything”

Out of the fifteen different Bible versions Rick Warren uses in The Purpose Driven Life, he chooses to cite Ephesians 4:6 from a new translation that erroneously conveys the panentheistic New Age teaching that God is “in” everything. According to New Age leaders, this teaching is foundational to the New Age/New Spirituality.(2) Yet of these fifteen Bible versions Warren uses in his book, he chooses the New Century Version that has potentially misled millions of Purpose Driven readers to believe this key New Age doctrine that God is “in” everything.

Regarding God, Warren writes: The Bible says, “He rules everything and is everywhere and is in everything”(3)

The New Century Version quoted by Rick Warren verbalizes what A Course in Miracles and my other New Age books taught me years ago—that God is “in” everyone and everything. This completely misrepresents what the apostle Paul is saying in Ephesians 4:6.

In Deceived on Purpose, I explain:
In this Scripture Paul is not writing to the world at large. The book of Ephesians is Paul’s letter to the Church of Ephesus and to the faithful followers of Jesus Christ. In Ephesians 1:1 he makes it clear that he is writing to “the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus.”

According to properly translated Scripture, God is not “in” everyone and everything, and God’s Holy Spirit only indwells those who truly accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior (John 14:15-17; Acts 5:32).

In Deceived on Purpose, I wrote:
Because the Church of Ephesus was composed of believers who had accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior, God had sent His Holy Spirit to them. Therefore, as a result of their conversion God’s Holy Spirit resided in them all. Thus, Paul is only addressing the believers of Ephesus and the “faithful in Christ Jesus” when he stated that God is “above all, and through all, and in you all.” He was not saying that God is present in unbelievers. He was not saying that God is “in” everyone and “in” everything. That is what the New Age teaches.(4)

It is vital to understand the difference in renderings of Ephesians 4:6. Compare the New Century Version that Rick Warren quotes with the King James Bible:
He rules everything and is everywhere and is in everything. (NCV)
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. (KJV)

3) Rick Warren and The Message

In The Purpose Driven Life, Rick Warren cites Eugene Peterson’s The Message more than any other Bible version. The Message is laden with its own set of questionable New Age implications. In the first chapter of The Purpose Driven Life, five of the six Scriptures that Warren cites come from The Message. Warren states that The Message is a Bible “paraphrase,” yet he frequently writes, “the Bible says” when quoting from The Message.(5)

One of the many examples of the New Age implications of The Message is seen in Eugene Peterson’s paraphrasing of the Lord’s Prayer. Where most translations read “in earth, as it is in heaven,” Peterson inserts the occult/New Age phrase “as above, so below.” The significance of this mystical occult saying is seen clearly in As Above, So Below, a book published in 1992 by the editors of New Age Journal. Chief Editor Ronald S. Miller describes how the occult/magical saying “as above, so below” conveys the “fundamental truth about the universe”—the teaching that “we are all one” because God is “immanent” or “within” everyone and everything. Miller writes:

Thousands of years ago in ancient Egypt, the great master alchemist Hermes Trismegistus, believed to be a contemporary of the Hebrew prophet Abraham, proclaimed this fundamental truth about the universe: “As above, so below; as below, so above.” This maxim implies that the transcendent God beyond the physical universe and the immanent God within ourselves are one. Heaven and Earth, spirit and matter, the invisible and the visible worlds form a unity to which we are intimately linked.(6)
Miller continues describing the meaning of “as above, so below” by quoting Sufi scholar Reshad Field:

“‘As above, so below’ means that the two worlds are instantaneously seen to be one when we realize our essential unity with God. . . . The One and the many, time and eternity, are all One.”(7) (ellipsis in original)

In 2004 when I searched “as above, so below” on the Internet, the first entry listed further defined this “key” New Age term:

This phrase comes from the beginning of The Emerald Tablet and embraces the entire system of traditional and modern magic which was inscribed upon the tablet in cryptic wording by Hermes Trismegistus. The significance of this phrase is that it is believed to hold the key to all mysteries. All systems of magic are claimed to function by this formula. “‘That which is above is the same as that which is below’ . . . The universe is the same as God, God is the same as man.”(8)

Most of the references, either on websites or in books and magazines containing the phrase “as above, so below” describe the term as having the same occult/mystical/New Age/esoteric/magical sources. One website states:

This ancient phrase, “As above, so below” describes the Oneness of All That Is.(9)
In Deceived on Purpose, I discuss my concerns over Rick Warren placing such great emphasis on Eugene Peterson’s The Message. When I looked up Ephesians 4:6 in The Message, Peterson’s paraphrase (like the New Century Version) also definitely lends itself to the New Age interpretation that God is present “in” everyone.

In The Message, Peterson introduces his readers—with no parenthetical warnings or explanations—to the concept of ‘Oneness’:

You have one Master, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who rules over all, works through all, and is present in all. Everything you are and think and do is permeated with Oneness.(10)

The “as above, so below” God “in” everything “Oneness” message of Eugene Peterson’s paraphrase The Message sounds strikingly similar to the same “as above, so below” God “in” everything “Oneness” message of the New Age/New Spirituality. Such a teaching is contrary to what the Bible teaches. We are only “one” in Christ Jesus when we repent of our sins and accept Him as our Lord and Savior.

Galatians 3:26-28 states:

“For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.”

4) The Purpose Driven Life’s Distorted View of Bible Prophecy

In The Purpose Driven Life, Rick Warren strongly discourages the study of prophecy. He states that “in essence” Jesus told his disciples: “The details of my return are none of your business.”(11) Contrary to what Warren writes, in Jesus’ discussion on the Mount of Olives, He tells His disciples that an understanding of the details of His return is very important. He provides much needed prophetic information so that His followers will not be deceived about the details of His return at the end of time.

In Deceived on Purpose, I explain:
He warns that there will be false teachers and false teachings that will try to confuse the details of His return. He provides the prophetic detail because He didn’t want His disciples, or any of us, mistaking Antichrist’s arrival for His own return. He initiates His lengthy prophetic discourse by saying, “Take heed that no man deceive you.” He ends His discussion by warning them to “watch” and “be ready.”(12)

As someone who has come out of New Age teachings, I find it very disturbing that Rick Warren writes that the details of Jesus’ return are none of our business. In Deceived on Purpose, I talk about the role that these details had in my own eventual conversion:

Understanding the events surrounding His return was critical to understanding how badly I had been deceived by my New Age teachings. I had learned from reading the Bible that there is a false Christ on the horizon and that for a number of years I had unknowingly been one of his followers. Because the Bible’s clear authoritative teachings about the real Jesus and His true return had been brought to my attention, I was able to see how deceived I was. By understanding that there is a false Christ trying to counterfeit the true Christ’s return, I was able to renounce the false Christ I had been following and commit my life to the true Jesus Christ.(13)

5) Rick Warren and John Marks Templeton

Rick Warren unwittingly lent himself to the “purposes” of New Age sympathizer John Marks Templeton, as shown in Deceived on Purpose:

Even as I write, [New Age leader] Neale Donald Walsch’s New Age colleague Wayne Dyer is teaching the principles of the New Spirituality to an unsuspecting American public on a 3-hour PBS television special. His subject? The power of intention and purpose. While Dyer was cleverly presenting the New Spirituality by talking about the power of “purpose,” Rick Warren was judging a “Power of Purpose” essay contest for the New Age-based Templeton Foundation. John Templeton—with his strong New Age and metaphysical leanings—believes in a “shared divinity between God and humanity.”(14)
I pointed out that the late Templeton had been featured on the cover of Robert Schuller’s Possibilities magazine and was described as “my wonderful role model” by Neale Donald Walsch.

6) Robert Schuller’s Influence on Rick Warren

I discovered that Rick Warren had been greatly influenced by Robert Schuller and that he frequently used unattributed material from Schuller’s writings. In promoting his 2004 Robert H. Schuller Institute for Successful Church Leadership, Schuller stated that Warren was a graduate of his Institute.(15) Furthermore, on an April 4, 2004 Hour of Power television broadcast, Schuller described how Warren had come to his Institute for Successful Church Leadership “time after time.”(16) And Rick Warren’s wife, Kay, was quoted in a 2002 Christianity Today article saying that Schuller “had a profound influence on Rick.”(17)

In reading Schuller’s past writings, it soon became apparent that Schuller had indeed greatly influenced Rick Warren’s ministry and that Warren often used Schuller’s material without any attribution to Schuller.

One of the many examples where Warren emulates Schuller’s material can be seen in the following comparison of their writings. In his 1982 book Self-Esteem: The New Reformation, Robert Schuller writes:

Our very survival “as a species depends on hope. And without hope we will lose the faith that we can cope.”(18)

Twenty years later in his 2002 book The Purpose Driven Life, Rick Warren writes:
Hope is as essential to your life as air and water. You need hope to cope.(19)

Another example of how Rick Warren mirrors Robert Schuller is found in Warren’s 1995 book The Purpose Driven Church. He concludes his book by writing:

Accept the challenge of becoming a purpose-driven church! The greatest churches in history are yet to be built.(20)

Rick Warren’s statement is almost a direct quote from Schuller’s 1986 book Your Church Has A Fantastic Future!, which quotes a pastor saying:

Ten years ago, I heard Dr. Robert Schuller say at his leadership conference, “The greatest churches in the world are yet to be built!”(21)

These are just two of many other examples I found where Rick Warren uses unattributed material from Schuller’s writings and teachings.

In Deceived on Purpose, I wrote:
The more I read Robert Schuller, the more I was shocked at how so many of Rick Warren’s thoughts, ideas, references, words, terms, phrases, and quotes in The Purpose Driven Life seemed to be directly inspired by Schuller’s writings and teachings.(22)

7) Rick Warren and Robert Schuller’s “New Reformation” & “God’s Dream”

Rick Warren’s proposed “New Reformation” and his “God’s Dream” Global P.E.A.C.E. Plan are strikingly similar to Robert Schuller’s proposed “New Reformation” and his “God’s Dream” plan “to redeem society.” The only real difference between their basic plans is that Schuller proposed his “New Reformation” and “God’s Dream” plan twenty years previous to Warren. In his 1982 book Self-Esteem: The New Reformation, Schuller called for a “New Reformation” in the church.(23) To accomplish this New Reformation he frequently invoked the metaphor “God’s Dream” to describe God’s “great plan to redeem society.”(24) Twenty years later, Warren was also calling for a “New Reformation” in the church.(25) To accomplish his proposed New Reformation, Warren also invoked the “God’s Dream” metaphor that Schuller had used over two decades earlier to describe his New Reformation and his “plan.”(26) Warren described his new reformational P.E.A.C.E. Plan as “God’s Dream For You—And The World!,”(27) which also happens to resemble the PEACE Plan proposed by Neale Donald Walsch.

In Deceived on Purpose, I wrote:

Following Schuller’s forty-year commitment to his church, Rick Warren made a forty-year commitment to the Saddleback community. He “grew” his mega-church by faithfully implementing all that he had learned from Schuller. . . . Now Schuller’s concept of “God’s Dream” was being used to inspire millions of Christians to get behind his [Warren’s] 5-Step P.E.A.C.E. Plan to “change the world”—a 5-Step P.E.A.C.E. Plan that, on paper, bore an eerie resemblance to the 5-Step PEACE Plan proposed by Neale Donald Walsch and his New Age “God.”(28)

8) New Age Embraces Schuller’s New Reformation

In Neale Donald Walsch’s 2002 book, The New Revelations, Walsch and his New Age “God” praise Robert Schuller’s ministry and laud Schuller’s call for a New Reformation. Walsch describes how he and his “God” are also calling for a “New Reformation.” In fact, they commend Schuller and believe that Schuller’s New Reformation can merge with their plan to help bridge the divide between the Christian church and the teachings of the New Age/New Spirituality. They also present their New Reformation in the form of a 5-Step PEACE Plan (29) that is similarly put forth in the form of an acronym—much like Rick Warren’s 5-Step P.E.A.C.E. Plan.(30) In The New Revelations: A Conversation with God, Walsch, in a conversation with his “God,” states:

Rev. Robert H. Schuller, the American Christian minister who founded the famous Crystal Cathedral in Garden Grove, California, said twenty years ago in his book Self-Esteem: The New Reformation that what is needed is a second reformation within the Church, to move it away from its message of fear and guilt, retribution, and damnation, and toward a theology of self-esteem.(31)

Walsch quotes Schuller as saying that the “church” is “failing at the deepest level to generate within human beings that quality of personality that can result in the kinds of persons that would make our world a safe and sane society.”(32) Walsch continues his conversation with “God” about Robert Schuller:

Dr. Schuller went on to suggest that “sincere Christians and church-persons can find a theological launching point of universal agreement if they can agree on the universal right and uncompromising need of every person to be treated with great respect simply because he or she is a human being!”(33)

Walsch then calls Schuller an “extraordinary minister” and quotes him again as saying:

“As a Christian, a theologian, and a churchman within the Reformed tradition, I must believe that it is possible for the church to exist even though it may be in serious error in substance, strategy, style or spirit.”(34)

Walsch adds:
But, he [Schuller] said, ultimately “theologians must have their international, universal, transcreedal, transcultural, transracial standard.”(35)

Walsch’s “God” answers Walsch:
Rev. Schuller was profoundly astute in his observations and incredibly courageous in making them public. I hope he is proud of himself!

I suggest that such an international, universal, transcreedal, transcultural, transracial standard for theology is the statement: “We Are All One. Ours is not a better way, ours is merely another way.”

This can be the gospel of a New Spirituality. It can be a kind of spirituality that gives people back to themselves.(36)

I do not believe it is just coincidence that Neale Donald Walsch—like Robert Schuller and Rick Warren—is also calling for a New Reformation. Nor do I believe it is a coincidence that Walsch and his “God” identify with Schuller and suggest Schuller’s New Reformation as a prototype for their PEACE Plan. Nor do I believe it is a coincidence that Warren has also used Schuller’s New Reformation as the prototype for his P.E.A.C.E. Plan and that both the New Age and Warren have devised 5-Step PEACE Plans to encourage their mutual calls for a New Reformation.

Other New Age leaders, like Bernie Siegel and Gerald Jampolsky also praise Robert Schuller and endorse his writings and teachings.(37) Jampolsky and Schuller have mutually endorsed each other’s books.(38) In his book Self-Esteem: The New Reformation, Schuller favorably cites Jampolsky and praises the New Age leader for his “profound theology.”(39) Yet it is Jampolsky who first introduced me to the teachings of A Course in Miracles when I was in the New Age movement. I would later discover to my amazement that A Course in Miracle groups were meeting on the grounds of Schuller’s Crystal Cathedral back in 1985.(40) I would also learn that Schuller has had an ongoing relationship with his “dear friend” Gerald Jampolsky from the early 1980s up through the present day.(41) And it is not surprising that Bernie Siegel—the New Age leader Rick Warren cites in The Purpose Driven Life—had been a long-time member of the Board of Advisors for Jampolsky’s A Course in Miracles-based New Age Attitudinal Healing Centers.(42)

9) The Implications of Schuller’s Influence on Rick Warren

It became evident to me that Rick Warren was incorporating Robert Schuller’s plans and teachings into the Evangelical church. Whether it is “God’s Dream,” God “in” everything, the “New Reformation,” or something else, the non-referenced writings and teachings of Robert Schuller have been gradually introduced into the Evangelical church through Rick Warren.

In Deceived on Purpose, I wrote:
[I]t seemed that one of Rick Warren’s unstated purposes was to mainstream Robert Schuller’s teachings into the more traditional “Bible-based” wing of the Church. Many believers who seem to trust Rick Warren, ironically, do not trust Robert Schuller. Rick Warren’s “magic” seems to be able to make the teachings of Robert Schuller palatable to believers who would have otherwise never accepted these same teachings had they come directly from Schuller himself.(43)

Recognizing the overwhelming influence that Robert Schuller has had on Rick Warren and thousands of other pastors, I explain in Deceived on Purpose that “The Purpose Driven Church campaign to enlist every man, woman and child into its ranks to ‘do’ the P.E.A.C.E. Plan and to ‘do’ God’s Dream did not have its origins at Saddleback Church or in the singly inspired mind of Rick Warren.”(44) The spiritual foundation of the Purpose Driven movement can be found in the writings and teachings of Schuller’s fifty-year ministry. While Warren and other Christian leaders and organizations “forge new Purpose-Driven alliances around the world, the real architect of this seemingly unsinkable Purpose-Driven ship sits quietly in his office at the Crystal Cathedral.”(45)

I found it very ironic that while evangelical pastors were studying and speaking at Schuller’s Institute for Successful Church Leadership, A Course in Miracles groups were also meeting in Crystal Cathedral classrooms. Apparently, these pastors “thought that Schuller knew what he was doing because he had a big ‘successful’ church, and they wanted one, too.”(46)

10) A Serious Concern—A Sober Warning

I concluded Deceived on Purpose by stressing that it is not too late for Rick Warren to recognize how he has been influenced by Robert Schuller and by New Age teachings that are taking the church into the New Spirituality.

I wrote:
He [Warren] could open many people’s eyes if he started to expose the differences between biblical Christianity and the deceptive teachings of the New Age and its New Spirituality.(47)

However, I presented a sober warning regarding Rick Warren and other Christian leaders who remain in denial about the very real threat of this pervasive spiritual deception that will seriously endanger many who are trusting in their judgment. I explained:

Sadly, if Rick Warren and other Christian leaders fall for New Age schemes and devices rather than exposing them, they will take countless numbers of sincere people down with them. It will be the blind leading the blind, as they fall further and further into the deceptive ditch of the New Age and its New Spirituality. Undiscerning Christians, who think they are on “the narrow way” preparing the way for Jesus Christ, may discover too late that they had actually been on “the broad way” preparing the way for Antichrist. It is not too late to warn everyone, but it must be done soon before the deception advances any further.(48)

(View Endnotes: A Wonderful Deception - Warren B. Smith)


"The first of these five untheorized observations is that New Light embodiment means to be "in connection" and 'in-formation' with other Christians. Deeper feeling and higher relating go together. The church is fundamentally one being, one person, a comm-union whose cells are connected to one another within the information network called the Christ consciousness." (Quantum Spirituality, P. 122)

"Energy-fire experiences take us into ourselves only that we might reach outside of ourselves. Metanoia is a de-centering experience of connected-ness and community. It is not an exercise in reciting what Jesus has done for me lately. Energy-fire ecstasy, more a buzz than a binge, takes us out of ourselves, literally. That is the meaning of the word 'ecstatic.'" (Quantum Spirituality, P. 93)

Note: This ecstasy Sweet speaks refers to the New Age ecstasy that occurs in an altered state of consciousness.

The power of small groups is in their ability to develop the discipline to get people "in-phase" with the Christ consciousness and connected with one another. (P. 147)

New Lights offer up themselves as the cosmions of a mind-of-Christ consciousness. As a cosmion incarnating the cells of a new body, New Lights will function as transitional vessels through which transforming energy can renew the divine image in the world, moving postmoderns from one state of embodiment to another. (P. 48)

A surprisingly central feature of all the world's religions is the language of light in communicating the divine and symbolizing the union of the human with the divine: Muhammed's light-filled cave, Moses' burning bush, Paul's blinding light, Fox's "inner light," Krishna's Lord of Light, Bohme's light-filled cobbler shop, Plotinus' fire experiences, Bodhisattvas with the flow of Kundalini's fire erupting from their fontanelles, and so on." (P. 235)

The various quotations were taking from the teachings and publishing’s of those represented in this article. So you tell me, what is wrong with this picture? Why are Evangelical pastors becoming entangled with those who are teaching a false gospel?

It is compromise, it is wrong and the Church must not participate in anything that defames the true Gospel message, and presents a false one! It is not the mission of the church to become relevant to the world! It is the mission of the Church to present the TRUTH! The Gospel according to the Scriptures! It is the will of God that we be not conformed to this world, but to be TRANSFORMED, by the renewing of the mind in CHRIST JESUS!

It is important that all true believer’s do their homework! Don’t take my word for it, research what these widely accepted “winds of doctrine” are, and test them according to the scriptures.

I will say this again and again, read the scriptures, study the scriptures, know the scriptures, pray for discernment, stand for righteousness, stand for truth according to what God hath said.

Matthew 16:24 (King James Version)

“Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.”

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Tuesday, May 4, 2010

The RAPTURE: The WHO and WHEN of it ALL Part 6

~~by James Fire

There are those skeptics and cynics, humanists and atheists alike, that like to criticize and mock Jesus Christ and His Word for this scripture, for they say, He said He was coming 'quickly' and yet He's been away for 2,000 years! Did He lose track of time? Did He get a flat?

The Greek word used here is tachu, which means, "shortly, without delay, soon, or by surprise, suddenly, readily, quickly, swift". It refers more to the manner of one's coming rather than a time duration. We know that the LORD is longsuffering and not willing that any should perish, and so He waits for those last of the Gentiles, who in His wisdom, are all accounted for, and awaits the time when they will receive salvation, and then, He will come "suddenly" without warning.

The following are verses that depict the Second Coming of Christ; the second group of verses deals with the rapture of the church. If one examines each group of scriptures and compares them, the differences will become more apparent.

DAN 2:44-45; 7:9-14; 12:1-3 

ZECH 14:1-15; MATT 13:41; 26:64 

MARK 13:14-27; 14:62; LUKE 21:25-28 

ACTS 1:9-11; 3:19-21; 1 THESS 3:13 

2 THESS 1:6-10; 2:8; 2 PET 3:1-14 

JUDE 1:14-15; REV 1:7; 19:11-20:6; 22:7,12,20

In these verses about the Second Coming there are no references to a translation; translated saints come back WITH Christ Jesus to the Earth.

The Earth is judged; definitive and predicted signs precede it. It affects all the people of the Earth. It concludes the day of wrath. Satan is bound.

Christ comes WITH His bride. Every eye shall see Him.

The Rapture of the Ekklesia (church):

JOHN 14:1-3; ROM 8:19; 1 COR 1:7-8;15:1-53;16:22;

PHIL 3:20-21; COL 3:4; 1 THESS 1:10; 2:19; 4:13-18; 5:9,23; 

2 THESS 2:1; 1 TIM 6:14; 2 TIM 4:1; TITUS 2:13; HEB 9:28; 

JAMES 5:7-9; 1 PET 1:7,13; 1 JOHN 2:28-3:2; JUDE 1:21; REV 2:25; 3:10.

In these verses there is the translation of believers, and these go TO heaven; the Earth is not judged; this event has no precedent conditions, and we are admonished to expect it at any moment (in a "time when you think not"). Believers only are involved in this event and it occurs prior to the time of wrath which God has not appointed us to. There is no reference to Satan or the Beast. Christ here claims His bride and receives her to Himself. Only His own will see Him.


Those persuaded of a mid- and post-tribulation rapture would have to show the church present during that time, within the context of scripture. Knowing that this time of Daniel's 70th week is expounded upon in the book of Revelation, ch's. 6 through 19, it would seem evident that if indeed the church is present for any duration of time of "Jacob's Trouble" we would find references within this time frame.

I have found scriptures that may be viewed as the church enduring the time of the tribulation or Daniel's 70th week.

And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled

Here we have those slain for the word of God and the testimony which they held; its obvious these were victims of the Beast's reign, and they were martyred for their allegiance to the LORD Jesus, and they were admonished to be patient until their "brethren" were likewise slain.

Some see these as the church, and yet as we have seen in the previous two articles of this Rapture subject, there will be believers that result from the beginning of this tribulation, following the rapture of the church. There will be Jews who come to faith, as well as Gentiles. However the fullness of the Gentiles at this point has already arrived, and God during this time interval is once again dealing with Israel (in this time of Jacob's trouble) as specified in ROM 11:25.

There are no defining characteristics that identify these martyrs as the church; certainly they are saved by faith in Christ, and are classified as saints, but as we also have seen before, not all saints are of the church. More on this distinction later.


John the apostle here is shown a great multitude of saints who have had their robes washed in the blood of the Lamb. When John is asked by one of the heavenly elders who these might be, John can't answer (if it were the church, it would seem John would recognize them) and he is told in 
vs. 14:

. . . These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

The church has been in existence for 2,000 years, and if it were true that we would go through the Tribulation era, this verse would be rendered a bit differently. What it states is that these are those who ". . . came out of great tribulation . . ." rather than came through tribulation". Am I nitpicking? If I were to base my entire argument on this verse, I'd say, yes I am! However this is but only a single verse I will bring to bear.


Here we are presented with a vision of a woman in heaven clothed with the sun, the moon beneath her feet, and encircled with a crown of 12 stars. She gives birth to her son who is to rule all nations with a rod of iron, and who then ascends into heaven after his birth, and sits on God's throne.

The child is readily identifiable as Christ Jesus who will Himself rule with a rod of iron, and presently sits with His Father on His throne. Yet there are those who identify the woman as the church. This is rather confusing as the church never gave birth to Christ, but rather the reverse: Jesus Christ has borne the church with His own blood!

If this woman isn't the church, then who is she? The answer is clearly, Israel, for Christ Jesus came from the tribe of Judah. This vision correlates perfectly with the vision that Joseph had of his brothers, and of his father and mother (see: GEN 37:9-11)

And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 

And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Here is a voice declaring from heaven that Satan is cast down, the accuser, and this is he who accused the brethren before God day and night, and they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and yet were slain on Christ's behalf. Where are these brethren located at the time of this statement? All references to them are in the past tense: ". . . they overcame. . . loved not their lives. . ." and in reference to these, regarding Satan's accusations, this too is past tense: ". . . which accused them . . ."

I'm not insinuating that this is necessarily the church, but even if it is about the church, the focus of these scriptures is about the casting down of Satan, the accuser of the brethren. Satan has long been an accuser, and in the oldest book of the Bible, we see Satan accusing Job before God. The subject of the brethren doesn't intimate that they are at the time of this expression, located on the Earth.

On the other hand, Satan being cast down onto the Earth, is a fearful and dreadful thing to who? " . . . the inhabiters of the earth . . . " (occurs 2x in the book of Revelation). Another similar phrase is "they that dwell upon the earth (2x in REV 11:10)"

These both speak of residency, as in a permanent abode, whereas we look for a city whose Maker is God, our citizenship is in heaven, we are foreigners and strangers in this world, for we are not of this world.

In this verse, we have the only reference to Satan's wrath. There are ten explicit references to God's wrath in this book, only one reference to Satan's. God's wrath is towards all who have refused to receive His grace, and so they receive from God the wrath He has stored up ever since the beginning of rebellion, when Adam first rebelled, and all others who continued this rebellion and refused to receive God's grace and forgiveness. Satan's wrath is about how he will be humiliated because he was "cast down".

I submit that the time of tribulation therefore is about God's wrath and not Satan's, and since this Divine wrath is against all who reject Christ Jesus, it would seem unreasonable to presume the church, the bride of Christ, would suffer this judgment. (see 
ROM 1:18; 2:5; 5:9; EPH 2:3; 5:6, and especially these two: 1 THESS 1:10; 5:9)


And it was given unto him (the Beast) to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world

Compare this will a parallel passage as found in Daniel:

I beheld, and the same horn (the Beast) made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

In both passages it states that the Beast makes war with the saints, and overcomes or prevails against them. Certainly this is a proof of the church going through the tribulation!

Only if you presume that all saints are a part of the church; they are not! The Old Testament saints were certainly saved, as they had faith in the coming Messiah, and in the God of Israel that promised that the Son of David would establish His reign in Israel and over all the world!

Yet these saints were not born again: as mentioned previously in the other articles, this is a distinction that is granted to the church, and to the church alone, who would be indwelt by the Holy Spirit and referred to as the temple of the Holy Spirit, as the body of Christ. Other saints would have the Spirit come 'upon' them, and by faith, they were saved. Yet they didn't have the Spirit of God residing within them, as the church does, even though to Israel, this promise was granted:

JEREMIAH 31:31-34 
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 
And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more

EZEKIEL 36:26-27 
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Many people presume that the Old Testament ended with the book of Malachi, and certainly that was the end of Old Testament canon, but not the end of the Old Testament. Others believe it ended when Christ was offered up on the cross and His blood was shed for the sins of the world, and the veil in the Temple was torn from top to bottom (I believed this once myself).

Yet the very words of Christ specify when exactly the Old Testament ended. Remember that the Jews don't refer to the Old Testament as we do, they call it "the Law and the Prophets", and so when we read these verses:

MATTHEW 11:13 
For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

LUKE 16:16 
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

We understand that the O.T. closed with John the Baptist. Remember what Jesus said of John, that of all men born of women, the greatest of these is John. Think about that statement and how profound that is! John the Baptist, in our LORD's estimation was greater than Noah, Abraham, Joseph, Moses, Samuel, Elijah, Elishah, David, Isaiah, Daniel, etc.!

Hear His words:

MATTHEW 11:11 
Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

The least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than John the Baptist? Why?

Simply because the kingdom of heaven, comprises those who receive Jesus Christ as their LORD and Savior, thus they receive the promise of the new birth (which Israel would have partaken of, had they received Christ Jesus when He came to them as prophesied in DAN 9), and become members of the body of Christ. So lofty and powerful a position, spiritually speaking, is the church, that not even the highest authorities of Satan's Kingdom, including Satan himself, his most powerful of demon-lords, the Beast, the False Prophet: the very gates of hell cannot prevail against His church:

MATTHEW 16:18 
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

So the saints that are overcome by the Beast are not the church, as we enjoy that position with Christ, being seated in the heavenlies . . .

And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

The 144,000 in Revelation are saints, the two witnesses are saints, those Jews that have their eyes opened and understand that Y'shua is indeed Ha Meschiach are saints; those Gentiles who at that time, receive Jesus as Lord and Savior are saints. A saint is simply one who is sanctified, that is, set apart from the world and set apart for God in a special relationship. None of these groups will be born again as they exist apart from the church, the fulness of the Gentiles.

The book of Revelation is Daniel's 70th week, and that prophecy as given by Gabriel focuses on and is all about Israel!

Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. 

For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy. 

And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. 


And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

In each of these passages, the term "saint" is used, and its a somewhat generic term, that can mean any one who is sanctifed by and for God, and this fits a broad catagory of all believers, from all ages, from which the church alone enjoys the exclusive relationship of being Christ's body, and the Temple of the Holy Spirit.


Many who deny the rapture as legitimate doctrine quote the verses that speak of a general resurrection, the resurrection of the just and that of the damned; others divide this into two seperate resurrections, but limit it to only these.

JOHN 5:28-29 
Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

And yet, when was Christ raised from the dead? 2000 years ago? Would He be considered a part of the resurrection of the JUST?

And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 

And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

And what of the two witnesses in Revelation? Would they not likewise be considered a part of the resurrection of the Just? For they were received up bodily into heaven. Yet they are raised up and received into God's presence 3.5 yrs prior to Christ's Return and the resurrections of the just and damned. And what of those who were raised from the dead along with Christ, and entered into Jerusalem? (see MATT 27:51-53)

Rather than seeing the resurrections of the JUST and the DAMNED as two EVENTS, it would seem that these are two different CATAGORIES, and in the first there are the different events of resurrection of those JUST ones, of whom Christ is the Ultimate example. Included in this then, would be the resurrection of those that sleep in Christ, and likewise those of us who remain and are alive as stated in 1 THESS 4:16).

From Revelation ch. 3 and 4 then, up until chapter 19, there are no definitive characterisitics that can readily identify the church as being present on the Earth during Daniel's 70th week.

In closing this final part to this article, RAPTURE: The WHO and WHEN Of It All" it occurred to me that this blog may well remain 'online' after my departure, either in death (which could be today, who knows?) or at the rapture (that likewise could be today, when the last soul that God has foreknown completes the count of the Fulness of the Gentiles; only God knows that number, and He ain't tellin'!).

If the rapture occurs, and this blog remains, and you have been reading these articles, I would encourage you to receive Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior! If you would like to know how I myself came to the LORD, check out the following testimony on FROM The MIND of FIRE: "CAN I GET A WITNESS" and learn about how to receive salvation.

The fear of learning that you have been left behind will no doubt be so potent as it might seem to steal your breath away and overwhelm you with the terror of it all. You probably have no idea how you will ever manage to survive this time, and endure until the end.

Christ Jesus will bestow upon you His grace, and empowerment to face these challenges, and overcome them, just as the Word has stated:

And they overcame him (the beast) by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

I believe that even we, the church will face a most trialsome time, with persecution and hardships in these last days prior to Christ Jesus' Coming for us in the rapture. If we don't experience the rapture before this, I believe its certainty is unquestionable, therefore I would like to close this article with prayers for the church, and those who must endure the time of tribulation as described in both Daniel and Revelation:
FATHER, I pray to You in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and I ask you Father, please prepare Your children, the church, the body of Christ for that which is coming upon us. Open our eyes so that we may see, and understand the times in which we now live, and that the time is coming when we will have our faith tested by the forces of darkness, led by Satan and his instruments. I pray that you lead us Father, in Your wisdom, knowledge, grace, and most of all your Love; we are ambassadors for Christ's sake, and no human being, even those who might persecute and hate us are really our enemies; rather these are creatures lost in sin and spiritual blindness that You love, and would have them come to the knowledge of the Truth, and enter into salvation via the LORD Jesus Christ and His shed blood for their sins. May we manifest Your love for them; may we bless those that curse us, and love those that hate us, and let this be done only through the power of Your Spirit in us, Your yielded vessels. May we honor and bless you Father in this time of trial, and may it have its purifying effect in our lives; we long and yearn to hear You say to us, on that Day we see You face to face: "Well done, good and faithful servant!" And FATHER, for those who are left behind, once the rapture takes place: give them your grace and empowerment to endure this time ahead; let them be granted all boldness and holy conviction to stand resolutely for the Truth which is in Christ Jesus. Grant to them LORD, Your love, and peace, and joy; let them experience Your sheltering arms, and lead them Father in the way they are to go. Protect them and their loved ones, and bring them to Yourself on the appointed day, when they will rest in Your glorious presence. In the name of the LORD Jesus Christ, and in His name be all the glory and honor and power, AMEN!

To read more about the Rapture of the church check out the TTUF page here 

Also check out Tommy Ice's video:

Thomas Ice - Pre Tribulation Rapture

Yours in the battle, until then,

agape, grace & peace,


brother James Fire
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